{"id":15224060,"date":"2026-07-24T16:17:27","date_gmt":"2026-07-24T20:17:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.inthacity.com\/news\/the-macrumors-show-can-openai-really-beat-the-iphone\/"},"modified":"2026-07-24T16:33:31","modified_gmt":"2026-07-24T20:33:31","slug":"the-macrumors-show-can-openai-really-beat-the-iphone","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.inthacity.com\/news\/the-macrumors-show-can-openai-really-beat-the-iphone\/","title":{"rendered":"The MacRumors Show: Can OpenAI Really Beat the iPhone?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This week&#8217;s episode of <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/can-openai-actually-beat-the-iphone\/id1602394741?i=1000778201727\">The MacRumors Show<\/a> covers OpenAI&#8217;s move into hardware and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/10\/apple-sues-openai\/\">trade secret lawsuit<\/a> Apple filed against the company earlier this month.<\/p>\n<div class=\"center-wrap\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@themacrumorsshow?sub_confirmation=1\">Subscribe to The MacRumors Show YouTube channel<\/a> for more videos<\/em><\/div>\n<p>\nApple <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/10\/apple-sues-openai\/\">sued OpenAI<\/a> in the Northern District of California on July 10, alleging a months-long scheme to obtain confidential information about unreleased products. The complaint centers on OpenAI chief hardware officer Tang Tan, a 24-year Apple veteran who previously led iPhone product design, and former Apple electrical engineer Chang Liu. Apple claims Tan coached recruits on evading its exit-interview security procedures and told at least one employee to bring hardware components to an interview, and that OpenAI persuaded a supplier to apply a proprietary metal-finishing technique to an OpenAI device by falsely stating it had Apple&#8217;s permission. The filing describes OpenAI&#8217;s hardware business as &#8220;rotten to its core.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>The suit follows a souring of the 2024 partnership that brought ChatGPT to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/siri\/\">Siri<\/a>, with OpenAI itself <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/05\/14\/openai-considering-legal-action-against-apple\/\">weighing legal options<\/a> against Apple in May. More than 400 former Apple employees now work at OpenAI, including <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/06\/26\/apple-loses-another-executive-to-openai\/\">Vision Products Group leader Paul Meade<\/a>, and former design chief Jony Ive leads design on the hardware lineup through LoveFrom after OpenAI&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/07\/09\/openai-jony-ive-io-acquisition-complete\/\">&#036;6.5 billion acquisition<\/a> of his startup io Products. Apple has countered with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/03\/26\/apple-iphone-designer-bonuses\/\">retention bonuses of up to &#036;400,000<\/a> and has now <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/17\/apple-sends-legal-letters-openai\/\">sent legal preservation letters<\/a> to around 40 former employees, suggesting it believes the alleged misappropriation goes beyond those named. OpenAI <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/11\/openai-responds-after-apple-lawsuit\/\">says<\/a> it has &#8220;no interest in other companies&#8217; trade secrets.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p><em>Bloomberg<\/em>&#8216;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/mark-gurman\/\">Mark Gurman<\/a> argues the case is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/13\/openai-lawsuit-threatens-plans\/\">already causing damage<\/a> ahead of any ruling, deterring Apple engineers from interviewing at OpenAI and making Asian suppliers wary of deepening ties with the company. Ive is not named in the complaint, which Gurman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/20\/apple-left-jony-ive-out-of-openai-lawsuit\/\">believes was deliberate<\/a> given Apple&#8217;s relationship with io Products investor Laurene Powell Jobs.<\/p>\n<p>OpenAI&#8217;s first device, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/11\/24\/jony-ive-sam-altman-ai-device-2\/\">teased for months<\/a> by Ive and CEO Sam Altman, is believed to be a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/14\/openai-ai-hardware-device-speaker\/\">portable, screenless smart speaker<\/a> that is <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/02\/20\/jony-ive-openai-smart-speaker-2027\/\">now expected in early 2027<\/a> at &#036;200 to &#036;300. Powered by ChatGPT and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/08\/openai-gpt-live-voice\/\">GPT-Live<\/a>, it has a rechargeable battery so it can be carried between rooms, a camera for understanding its surroundings, and motorized elements that move on their own to give a sense that the device is alive. OpenAI reportedly does not regard the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/roundup\/homepod\/\">HomePod<\/a> or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/roundup\/homepod-mini\/\">HomePod mini<\/a> as comparable, and people familiar with the project told <em>Bloomberg<\/em> the device is unlike anything Apple sells, making infringement unlikely. Apple&#8217;s own <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/apple-command-center\/\">smart home hub<\/a> is the closest analogue.<\/p>\n<p>Further out, supply chain analyst <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/ming-chi-kuo\/\">Ming-Chi Kuo<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/04\/27\/openai-working-on-an-ai-smartphone\/\">reported<\/a> that OpenAI is developing an &#8220;AI agent phone&#8221; built around a continuous, context-aware interface rather than individual apps, with the company controlling both the operating system and the hardware. Kuo <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/05\/05\/openai-fast-tracking-ai-phone-2027\/\">has since revised<\/a> his mass production expectation from 2028 to the first half of 2027, projecting combined 2027 and 2028 shipments of around 30 million units. The device is rumored to be a direct iPhone rival.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/the-macrumors-show\/\">The MacRumors Show<\/a> has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@themacrumorsshow\">its own YouTube channel<\/a>, so make sure you&#8217;re subscribed to keep up with new episodes and clips.<\/p>\n<div class=\"center-wrap\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/@themacrumorsshow?sub_confirmation=1\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"fancybutton\">Subscribe to <em>The MacRumors Show<\/em> YouTube channel!<\/div>\n<p><\/a><\/div>\n<p>You can also listen to &zwnj;The MacRumors Show&zwnj; on <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/podcast\/id1602394741\">Apple Podcasts<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/41XOHIA6w8IxAKJZvrnx90\">Spotify<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/overcast.fm\/itunes1602394741\">Overcast<\/a>, or other podcast apps. You can also <a href=\"https:\/\/audioboom.com\/channels\/5096144.rss\">copy our RSS feed<\/a> directly into your player.<\/p>\n<div class=\"center-wrap\"><\/div>\n<p>If you haven&#8217;t already listened to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/17\/the-macrumors-show-iphone-xx\/\">previous episode of The MacRumors Show<\/a>, catch up to hear our discussion where we look ahead to the 20th anniversary iPhone, the radically redesigned model that Apple is expected to launch in 2027.<\/p>\n<p>Subscribe to &zwnj;The MacRumors Show&zwnj; for new episodes every week, where we discuss some of the topical news breaking here on <em>MacRumors<\/em>, often joined by interesting guests such as <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/09\/05\/the-macrumors-show-iphone-17-event-expectations\/\">Kayci Lacob<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/11\/15\/the-macrumors-show-apple-pro-apps-updates\/\">Kevin Nether<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/04\/18\/the-macrumors-show-john-gruber-apple-intelligence\/\">John Gruber<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2025\/03\/21\/the-macrumors-show-apple-intelligence-mark-gurman\/\">Mark Gurman<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/11\/01\/the-macrumors-show-jon-prosser-talks-m4-macs\/\">Jon Prosser<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/07\/05\/the-macrumors-show-luke-miani-talks-apple-watch-x\/\">Luke Miani<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/04\/12\/the-macrumors-show-matthew-cassinelli\/\">Matthew Cassinelli<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/02\/23\/the-macrumors-show-brian-tong-vision-pro\/\">Brian Tong<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2024\/02\/09\/the-macrumors-show-one-week-with-vision-pro\/\">Quinn Nelson<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/11\/10\/the-macrumors-show-apple-gaming-ft-toucharcade\/\">Jared Nelson<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/11\/10\/the-macrumors-show-apple-gaming-ft-toucharcade\/\">Eli Hodapp<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/10\/13\/the-macrumors-show-former-apple-executive-mike-bell\/\">Mike Bell<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/10\/06\/the-macrumors-show-sara-dietschy-apple-accessories\/\">Sara Dietschy<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/09\/15\/the-macrumors-show-ijustine-talks-iphone-15\/\">iJustine<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/08\/25\/the-macrumors-show-iphone-15-jon-rettinger\/\">Jon Rettinger<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/02\/10\/the-macrumors-show-andru-edwards-iphone-ultra\/\">Andru Edwards<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/05\/26\/the-macrumors-show-arnold-kim\/\">Arnold Kim<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/05\/19\/the-macrumors-show-ben-sullins-apple-car\/\">Ben Sullins<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/04\/07\/the-macrumors-show-marcus-kane-headset-design\/\">Marcus Kane<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/03\/24\/the-macrumors-show-christopher-lawley-talks-ipados\/\">Christopher Lawley<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/03\/10\/the-macrumors-show-frank-mcshan-yellow-iphone-14\/\">Frank McShan<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/02\/24\/the-macrumors-show-david-lewis-talks-apple-audio\/\">David Lewis<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2023\/01\/27\/the-macrumors-show-tyler-stalman-new-macs\/\">Tyler Stalman<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/09\/02\/the-macrumors-show-apple-event-expectations\/\">Sam Kohl<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/10\/28\/the-macrumors-show-ipados-16-ft-federico-viticci\/\">Federico Viticci<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/08\/26\/the-macrumors-show-thomas-frank-talks-productivity\/\">Thomas Frank<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/07\/21\/the-macrumors-show-jonathan-morrison\/\">Jonathan Morrison<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/07\/12\/the-macrumors-show-ross-young\/\">Ross Young<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/06\/21\/the-macrumors-show-ian-zelbo\/\">Ian Zelbo<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2022\/03\/25\/the-macrumors-show-rene-ritchie-talks-mac-studio\/\">Rene Ritchie<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&zwnj;The MacRumors Show&zwnj; is on X <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/macrumorsshow\"><strong>@MacRumorsShow<\/strong><\/a>, so be sure to give us a follow to keep up with the podcast. You can also email us at <strong><a href=\"mailto:podcast@macrumors.com\">podcast@macrumors.com<\/a><\/strong> or head over to <a href=\"https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/the-macrumors-show-discussion-thread.2383023\/\">The MacRumors Show<\/a> forum thread. Remember to rate and review the podcast, and let us know what subjects and guests you would like to see in the future.<\/p>\n<div class=\"linkback\">Tags: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/openai\/\">OpenAI<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/guide\/the-macrumors-show\/\">The MacRumors Show<\/a><\/div>\n<p>This article, &quot;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/24\/the-macrumors-show-can-openai-beat-the-iphone\/\">The MacRumors Show: Can OpenAI Really Beat the iPhone?<\/a>&quot; first appeared on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\">MacRumors.com<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/forums.macrumors.com\/threads\/the-macrumors-show-can-openai-really-beat-the-iphone.2485869\/\">Discuss this article<\/a> in our forums<\/p>\n<p class=\"inmi-source\">Source: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.macrumors.com\/2026\/07\/24\/the-macrumors-show-can-openai-beat-the-iphone\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener nofollow\">Tech \u2013 Apple \u2013 Mac 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